opinion, the civil rights movement, the union movement, women's rights -- none of that -- even gandhi in india, he would have gotten nowhere if it hadn't been the soviet union looming in the background and it seems me until we reach a point in which poor people are organized and willing to struggle against the wall street capitalists, we're going to continue to see a roll-back of all the gains of the civil rights and the labor movement. i was hoping you'd comment. >> host: thank you shaun from washington state. >> guest: shaun, i don't think we're in any danger of seeing a roll-back of the civil rights movement. the civil rights movement have transformed america. we have other groups from american indians to latinos, gay rights groups, children's rights groups who have emulated the very legal strategy that thurgood marshall used to transform the laws of america and allow for equality and inclusion. i think what you're talking about is more on an economic basis and the increasing class stratification that we see in the united states today. and i'm reminded -- i remember sitting with thurgood ma